Why German men don’t flirt
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I’ve been living in Germany for a year now. So far, the closest I have come to being chatted up was when, out of the blue, I found myself at the receiving end of a stream of lager-fuelled verbal abuse. I only hope that this wasn’t supposed to be a chat-up line.
by Anna Patton
Of course, I’d be willing to accept that the problem lies with me – I’m no Angelina Jolie, after all, and I don’t even own a push-up bra. Indeed, I did assume the fault was my own, until I realised I wasn’t the only one to have experienced such blatant indifference to my feminine charms. For, as it turns out, every girl I know in this city has suffered the same disinterest. Fiona*, who’s been living here for 2 years, wasn’t at all surprised when I suggested that it was difficult to get to know men in Berlin: “Oh absolutely, you have to be really pushy here – German men never make the first move.” And Carola told me that in all her life, she had never once been chatted up by a German man: she is a native Berliner. Men here simply do not approach strangers.
And I’m not even being very demanding here. After all, my standards are based on the charming yet mostly hopeless British / Irish culture, where flirting mostly consists of clumsily sidling up to a girl at the bar and stuttering something incomprehensible, or later on, perhaps, drunkenly lunging at her on the dance floor. My flirtatious encounters to date have been mostly unmemorable and rarely romantic. (The low point would have to be: “I like the way your hair blows in the breeze”. We were sitting in the living room at the time.) But even those goofy lines or leery gestures, cringe-worthy as they are, give you something to work with, and at least let you know where you stand. In Germany, that serious-looking man sitting just over there may be passionately in love with you, and you would never know.
Victims of Venustraphobia
So what is actually going on here? Is it that German men don’t want to flirt – or is it a matter of being physically unable to do so? Some kind of genetic thing, much in the way white people can’t rap and Europeans can’t dance? Did the emergence of the Italian Stallion and French charmer all those centuries ago cause the German species to evolve in the other direction – nature’s way of balancing things out for the women of Europe?
The evidence of a German incapacity to flirt is rife, at least on an anecdotal level. The numerous “flirt schools” and flirting workshops across the country would barely survive the close of a business day somewhere in the Med. And recently, an article that appeared in several publications compared flirting habits across cultures. German men, it found, “see the conquest of German women as an extreme sport…. The charm thing doesn’t really come into it”. Clearly German men aren’t much into their high-risk sports; according to the author, they may even be victims of “Venustraphobia” – the fear of chatting up beautiful women. Some see this fear as having been provoked by an excessively emancipated female population, who have now taken over the predator role in the sexual hunting game.
Scoring a German
But could it simply be a matter of men behaving in the way that society expects them to? German women, it is claimed, expect their menfolk to show restraint. The Spiegel Online, in the run-up to the German World Cup in 2006, provided some guidelines for foreign fans looking to “score a German” after the game. Would-be seducers should be cautious, it warned, since saying hello to a German lady “comes across as overly forward”. Saying hello? What is this, the 19th century? The Deutsche Welle, offering advice to international students on the subject of flirting, also advises caution. Apparently, “eye contact and good manners” will get you much further than “exaggerated macho posturing”. It seems the definition of flirting auf Deutsch is still limited to a stony-faced stare from across the room.
So why don’t men here flirt? Partly it’s about conforming to standards: getting a wolf whistle as you walked down Unter den Linden would be a bit much. But I don’t believe any German woman could justifiably be offended by being approached by a friendly stranger – that’s just an excuse. Basically, men are afraid to make fools of themselves, because that’s precisely the risk that flirting entails, and Germans don’t go in for risks. They like to do things properly and thoroughly, not spontaneously or irrationally. Forget genetic predisposition, or even cultural conditioning. Germans just aren’t into extreme sports. Although, come to think of it, I’ve never been one for the adrenalin rush either. Perhaps it’s time I checked out one of those flirting seminars?
*Names have been changed





Comments
Hi Anna, thats pretty much a brilliant analysis of the situation. I am a German, originally from a city close to Cologne and I would never flirt with a zoologist. Kidding! I do think it depends on the place you go to. Give Kaffee Burger a chance on sunday nights. You wont regret.
I agree with you - especially with the conclusion "Germans don´t go for risks". I tell you a joke - some suppose it is about the famous Berliner Tempo, said to be fast!
A man flirt with a woman. After 30 seconds he says: "Young Lady, I am a man of speedy decisions. You shine into my eyes, may I kiss you?" She says: "Well at first I wasnt too sure, but then you convinced me!"
Some say it is about German romantic attitude - finding love at first side. Check out the book THE GERMANS by Gordon E. Craig. Its fucking brilliant. Or send me a message and come over for coffee please!
hey Anna ,
I just incidentally came across your post and I couldn't pass it by without expressing my concern about this issue.
Finally someone to put this well-known true black and white .
My stay in Germany ( Hannover ) completely confirms that anthropological phenomen. Here the arguments:
- I'm female, single, jung, not Anjelina Jolie , but still attractive;
-I've been to others countries also and I know many men from others nationalities.
-and I can say , there are nowhere species like the German man to find (fortunately).
Not only they wouldn't treat you like a sexual object, but they would act like they are too busy to lose they time picking up a girl . Or worse, they think that will affect you somehow. I wounder how they get married here . It's this the beginning of a new unisex generation , having in mind the further self-dependence of the women.
I'm not sure I want this.
I still want to be chatted by drunk boys in smoky clubs, though I would always first laught at them .
finally, that's our nature...
they have to change, otherwise all the girls here will immigrate to Spain or some other place with bigger chance to continue their kind.
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great anna
:-D
You are spot on here!
But - dont forget the big advantage of German men. They mean what they say and when they tell you they will call - they do!! And if they say they love you - chances are they do.
Rather have this any day than the average British bloke who says anything to get what they want...
p.s. my tip is asking them to show you round the town they live in at night - even Germans let their guard down after a few Hefeweisen!
Anna,
If you see a nice guy you like the look of and are frustrated that he has not come over to talk to you, why not go over to talk to him? He may not have noticed you.
Generally speaking, if you want something and don't say or do anything, you won't get it. And you will still be wondering why german guys don't flirt, when you could be flirting with one.
Sad to say but the age of white knights in shining armour whisking you away to their nice Schloss is over...
If you want some baby, you gotta go get it... ;-x
Hi! Sorry, I have to disagree. I live in Michigan in all of the German guys flirt with girls at the bar. I always been lucky with the germans. ;-)
Anna,
i totally agree with you. although I'm a lil bit young. ive had further encounters with british and spanish guys and let me tell you i got lucky with both of them just by giving them sexy eyes. BUT when it comes about german guys idk what to do. i mean it's like they had to know the girl from his whole entire life to talk to her or to get on with her. it suckss so bad. im very very attractive and have lots of sex appeal but german guys are so idk innocent. ugh. they are nice for long term relationships but when it comes about a "night of innocent fun" they just dont go for it. why's that? i mean whats their problem? im going to germany for 3 months this summer and id loveeeeeeeeee to have some fun. but im affraid german guys wont approach me. they should be more outgoing.
Wow, this article was right on the money!
I'm a German native but I live in the states now and I'm not planning on going back. I just love how men treat women over here. They know how to flirt and be considerate (yes, I do like it when a man opens the door for me). And it's not just American men, Hispanics and different Latin cultures are pretty good at making a women feel special as well.
With German Guys it's just like pulling teeth. Even if you know the guy likes you, he's still not going to make any moves. German men don't even know how to give a decent compliment to a woman and have no clue about the art of smooth talking. I think it's a lost cause!
Hi @ all,
i think i've got something to say for this Text...
maybe my english is bad, I hope you will forgive me for that.
Some of the germans don't know how to flirt, tha's right, but I know many germans, and they go out to flirt every evening, with success ;).
I have done this too. but after a time you don't need every night a new girl or women, so you get one and leave this buiseness...
Hello everyone, I am new here. I just wanted to share this to all of you
“43 lessons that MUST be learned in relationships”
1. IF A MAN WANTS YOU, NOTHING CAN KEEP HIM AWAY. IF HE DOESN'T WANT YOU, NOTHING CAN MAKE HIM STAY.
2. Stop making excuses for a man and his behavior.
3. If you have ANY doubt in your mind about a man's character, leave him alone.
4. Allow your intuition (or spirit) to save you from heartache.
5. STOP TRYING TO CHANGE YOURSELF FOR A RELATIONSHIP THAT'S NOT MEANT TO BE.
6. Don't force an attraction.
7. SLOWER IS BETTER.
8. NEVER LIVE YOUR LIFE FOR A MAN BEFORE YOU FIND WHAT MAKES YOU TRULY HAPPY.
9. If a relationship ends because the man was not treating you as you deserve then heck no you can't "be friends." A friend wouldn't mistreat a friend.
10. Don’t settle.
11. If you feel like he is stringing you along, then he probably is.
12. If he keeps changing his mind about the relationship--take that as a BIG sign that he is unstable. Do you really want to be with a man like that?
13. Don't stay because you think, "it will get better." You'll be mad at yourself a year later for staying when things are not better.
14. Honorable men take care of their business and aren't involved in a whole lot of mess.
15. The only person you can control in a relationship is you.
16. THERE'S ONLY ONE 'REASON' A MAN DUMPS YOU; HE DOESN'T WANT YOU.
17. Avoid men who've got a bunch of children by a bunch of different women. He didn't marry them when he got them pregnant, why would he treat you any differently?
18. You really do have to kiss a few frogs before finding the prince.
19. Always put yourself and your happiness first.
20. Always have your own set of friends separate from his.
21. MAINTAIN BOUNDARIES IN HOW A GUY TREATS YOU. IF SOMETHING BOTHERS YOU, SPEAK UP.
22. Like from the show Sex and the City, if he doesn't call, he just isn't that interested.
23. Be honest and upfront.
24. Know when to cut the cord; don't be strung along.
25. Don't fall for the "I'm confused role". Remove yourself from the situation
to let him figure things out (but don't wait for him, move on).
26. if you want to have a clue as to how he will treat you, watch how he treats the WOMEN in his family (not just mom).
27. there’s more than physical abuse, there's emotional and mental abuse. If he causes any of them...flee.
28. You cannot change a man's behaviors. Change comes from within.
29. Don't let him place rules on you that he is not willing to follow himself -- double-standard.
30. Don't EVER make him feel he is more important than you are...even if he has
more education or in a better job.
31. Do not make him into a quasi-god. He is a man, nothing more nothing less.
32. Demand respect and if he can't give it, he can't have you!
33. Don't compete with other woman, but be aware that men are attracted to what they see.
34. If you think he is cheating, he probably is. Confront him right away and if you feel he's lying, let him go.
35. Actions speak louder than words.
36. Never let a man define who you are.
37. Never rely on a man for compliments, look to yourself for that.
38. Never borrow someone else's man.
39. If he cheated with you, he'll cheat on you.
40. JUST BECAUSE HE SAYS HE LOVES YOU, DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE WON'T HURT YOU AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU ARE MEANT TO BE WITH HIM.
41. To use painful hard-won wisdom -- 'get it right' the next time.
42. Know that you deserve to be the number one person in the life of the #1 person in your life.
43. Love is a verb...
sweet. thanks for that article! as an international student from the uk... jeez, i was so surprised to see the german men here not even try!! i was starting to think they all had girlfriends already or were gay!
i recently met a German guy. I made the first move. We went out for a drink. It was great. He was forward and asked "can I kiss you" we did.. that night he sent such a sweet text and the next few days following the same. We went to the zoo and had a few more dates. When we are together he is super sweet. He has been really bad with phoning and texting as of late. Last time we saw each other i made him dinner and once again he was very sweet and loved to cuddle.. once again.. he said he would phone and no return call yet.. we have planned to go sky diving this weekend together and it is Thursday.. how long do i wait to confirm it.. i just do not get it.. i am American and I am used to men being more clear with their intentions.. He has said he likes me a lot and is super kissy and touchy in public... at the start he was sending tons of texts all through the day.. and now he knows i like him it is like pulling teeth to get him to follow through... HELP???
you are so right anna, i'm friends with a german guy and unlike canadians he doesnt laugh at stupid jokes, over analyzes things and has a stony faced stare even when we are talking which is creepy and he never says hi or starts to talk to me i have to initiate every conversation, he isnt like this only with me but majority of the student body.
I never have any idea about german's view of love until the day when i can no longer understand my German guy. For me he is my special someone. He is sweet and romantic sometimes. But i just dont get him if what is really in store between us. Its like he is not showy or has no direction in our relationship...
Hello my name is Merle Dean Shamblin and I would like to be your new friend. I sure could use somebody to chat with. I am a 47 year old long haul truck driver who currently lives in Duncan Oklahoma. Dec 8th 1960 I was born in Fairview Oklahoma. Moved to Caddo and Washita counties where I attended school at Colony Hydro and Weatherford. My parents Malvin and Wanda Shamblin were cotton and peanut farmers. Dad died in 99 from lung cancer. Graduated from SWOSU with a business degree. My two sisters are LaDonna Hubert and Malva Burrahm. Dennis is my brother. I have been a truck driver for 14 years and have driven 2 million paid miles. I have received many safe driving awards over the years. I am single and have never been married. I have a wide range of interests and am pretty much an open book. Currently I drive a 2006 Freightliner for a major carrier. I dont go to Canada very often. I dont have a dedicated route so I run the entire lower 48. I enjoy reading cinema music sports travel etc
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or maybe it's because you are not that attractive or fake ( fake hair color, too much make up...) who knows.
helllo i am so sirprised read all these about germans i was about to date german but i reacted really bad with him, cause as u said he had that stony face and eyes ,plus he dont like to phone call or e mail,he does it hardly,that was one of main reasons i didnt like him i could not read him it was something new to me,i treated him a bit bad by igboring him and i was silentmost of the time.he told me i really like u but i dunno what is oing wrong!pitty i havent seen that site to send him he would understand what goes wrong!mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn lol by the way i am greek but i managed confuse him a lot lol i was more german at the end that he was hahaha
I am engaged to a german man and i live in America, he has traveled here for 5 weeks and i recently traveled there for 5 weeks.He is very sensitive man and expresses his love for me quiet often.He is nothing like i have read about.We are getting married this year and in the process of getting him back to the U.S legally. His family is very nice and took care of me.Good luck everyone with there relationship,i really dont think its where the men are from its how they are raised.God Bless
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I am engaged to a german man and i live in America, he has traveled here for 5 weeks and i recently traveled there for 5 weeks.He is very sensitive man and expresses his love for me quiet often.He is nothing like i have read about.We are getting married this year and in the process of getting him back to the U.S legally. His family is very nice and took care of me.Good luck everyone with there relationship,i really dont think its where the men are from its how they are raised.God Bless
One german guy i have got to know over a period of 2yrs first online then off. What can i say, it has not been easy, i have to more or less initiate everything especially the conversation which i must say after a while can be a tad tiresome, yet sometime he surprises me,, he certainly is not predictble... he is sometimes negative too .. but hey i do get that occsional text message (if i havent texted him or called him) wondering if i still have him on my mind!!
I sometimes wonder what i am doing with him.... until someone pointed out to me the other day... Your in love!! of course i denied it... but then i guess i must be ..
he will ring when he says he will .. yet i know im never going to get overly romantic words from him.. i suppose he shows it in other ways .. ie being there for me forgving, and a good listener Oh and i forgot to say ... he is soo sexxy too :P
Hey.. I read all the comments, but I am still confused.. I met a German guy at a dance club in USA, he danced with both me and one of my guy frenz, then asked me to dance with him and we danced for about an hour or more straight, while his 3 frenz stood aside and smirked and poked each other.. I had to leave to catch a flight and i did so after a goodbye and he kissed me on my cheek, but let me go without asking for my e-mail or phone number. Since, he did make first move, but let me go without any exchange of info.. I think they definitely give mixed signal.. But it was a great night..
The problem is all yours. But its not your look. It becouse you are to passive. The "guy approches girl" is only an american and british norm. I am a swedish guy and I dont approch girls very often. My two lasts girlsfriends approched me. Its same for most/all swedish guys, and many other places in europe.
Hi! I had a German boyfriend but during the time we were together, I never had an idea about what their characteristics are and stuff. I never realized women find some of their characteristics that annoying. We were together for a short time but he was totally wonderful. He was particular about a lot of things and everything has to be laid out in detail or I'd be hearing complaints not just comments really. But in the culture that I grew up in, I found his controlled, reserved, conservative and intellectual nature a breath of fresh air, so I found him quite perfect for a long term relationship. We had an issue that was hard to reconcile that eventually led us to separate but until now we still communicate and are the best of friends.
Its true, most German men really are cowards concerning dating. At least those who are in academics. I am a native German and only had one German boyfriend so far. I knew him through my job. If you don't know them from your everyday life you don't really have a chance. They do give you stares but that's it. It's not that we girls don't come up to them. But even if you do, they expect you not only to do the first but also the second and the third step. But showing such interest makes them lose interest in you and feels somewhat diminishing. Most female friends of mine actually have foreign boyfriends or at least such with some foreign background. Of course some Germans have girlfriends but probably not the ones they really wish they had-just the ones that happened to be around them long enough. These experiences are not due to any personal drawbacks - I've been to other countries and didn't experience such problems there. It was a lot more fun and I don't really mind guys asking for my number and then not calling. It's better to know what's going on than having to wonder about tiny gestures.
Having been with a German i can relate to this as i remember i had to do all the chasing.
Everything I know about my german boyfriend is nothing like what i read here. I've never been to Germany and my boyfriend is the only German guy I know but I know for sure that NOT ALL of them are like that. My bf is always the one who initiates things (in fact, he's the one who came and approached me at a cafe when we first met), kind and really sweet. He's not the type that will sugarcoated everything he says, but at least you know that he's saying the truth and that it comes from his heart. In the end, I believe that while the stereotypes may be true to some (or most German men), there is always some exceptions. It's matter of finding the right one.
HI folks, well i am a native germans and i find some of the points mentioned in the article are true, some are a bit exaggerated. Well i think that on one hand, the classic roles of men and women doesn´t fit to germany anymore since the end of WW2. Women claimed their independence because of havein beared the brunt of rebuilding germanys city whilst the men were still in prison.
Apart from that, german females nowadays aren´t really attractive to me, they demand a great deal of their potential partner and do not offer much execpt of the stereotypes about germans of being well organized and hardworking. So i think that it´s hard for germans to chat and flirt. My girlfriend isn´t german and did the first step by the way....
Anna, I was so depressed at first when this native German guy I met overseas didn't seemed to be sending me mixed signals and never returned my flirtations. I actually thought he disliked me and my love for him was unrequited. Now I stumble across this post, and hope (however futile it may be) has rekindled! Thank you so much!
Unfortuneately, the one big downer remains: I live in Canada and he, obviously, lives in Germany. We'll never meet again. Finding this post still made my day though, thank you again. :)
Nice article Anna. I recently met a German guy in UK and based from this article I did find some similarities. If they are as reserved and non flirtous as thought to be, I would rather be with a man of such kind then your average guy with wondering eyes.
yeah! i met this german guy and was so sure he likes me but he lets me do all the chasing and when i give up he just does something else to rekindle what i felt for him! but i totally agree they are a piece of hardwork! all the best to all those who want to continue waiting and doing the chasing i have given up! ana thank you for the article it has enlightened me not to sit and wait while i do all the chasing in my culture this is not acceptable
This was a great read. I do not know much about the German culture or people apart from what I have read in text and travel books. And also the few Germans I've met. This was nice to read.
This article couldn't be more true, I've been in Germany (Bavaria) for 5 months now and have had a few experiences with German men that validify everything you said. First, I have a good German friend who I could tell was into me but wouldn't for the life of me make any moves. I was into him for a while until I got sick of waiting! Sorry, but I guess I'm too American and prefer when a guy makes the first move. Also recently started getting vibes from another German friend of mine and we did hook up but only after I made the first move. After I laid out my German vs American dating style theory on him, he claimed he was just "too shy." Whatever, now even though we've been together it seems like he is losing interest- distant, not initiating anything. I don't care cuz I'm not one to waste my time.
Also, the only Germans who approached me in public was a German Russian immigrant. He was hot as hell and charming. Couldn't have asked for more. Also some young boy in the train station in Berlin, but it was not at all charming as it was 5 in the morning and he said he wanted to take me home with him to give me a massage. LOL, i did let him buy me a donut though.. Whatever, I never thought I'd say this, what with all the games they play, but I miss my American boys.
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I am an American girl living first in Magdeburg, and now in Stuttgart. Often times, if you just look at them and smile, they will walk over and initiate the conversation. However, sometimes they will just awkwardly stare back until you walk over...
Definitely something that I'm not used to in the USA. Back home, men are more likely to start a conversation by grabbing a big handful of your booty (and probably making you spill your drink down your front...) but in Germany, I'm actually relieved to find that the men are more reserved...
I've really had no problem with flirting here, and I'm no actress/movie star look-a-like either...
My hint: Confidence! Keep telling yourself, "I am the hottest girl in this place!" just don't get too cocky...
Good luck!!
Hi!
I'm so glad I stumbled onto this! I've recently met a man online and had serious doubts if he was interested. Reading this makes some things clear for me. He definitely doesn't make small talk, and I have given him lots of opportunities but he doesn't make the first move. He does keep coming back though, I guess that's a good sign. How direct should I be? I'm a bit shy myself but--should I just ask, "I really like, you--I'd like to make love to you?" :-o or.. something more delicate, with a way out? 'I find you very attractive..would you like to go out sometime?" To me, he is very sexy, but I have no idea if he feels the same thing. I am tempted to just jump on him one day, how would a typical German male react? (and no, that is NOT normal for me- haven't dated in years) Help!
Clueless Lynn: Smile at him and then 'just jump', as you say! Being German, he will surely surrender.
Merle Shamblin: You are the best!
I want to ask that if some people are watching big boss in Germany. They must have watched the romance between Pravesh and Claudia Ciesla. What would a German man would have done if he was in place of Pravesh on the show as pravesh was in love or crush.
I want to ask that if some people are watching big boss in Germany. They must have watched the romance between Pravesh and Claudia Ciesla. What would a German man would have done if he was in place of Pravesh on the show as pravesh was in love or crush.
I want to ask that if some people are watching big boss in Germany. They must have watched the romance between Pravesh and Claudia Ciesla. What would a German man would have done if he was in place of Pravesh on the show as pravesh was in love or crush.
I met a German guy at a club. We were holding constant eye contact with eachother. He did build up his confidence to come and talked to me but he brought his friends along with him. It did took him some time to come to me anyway I have to say. And as he came to me, he just stood there with his friends and said or did nothing until my girlfriend got up to dance and his friends leaving us 2 alone to talk. As he was talking to me, I could hardly hear a word he was saying , he was talking so quietly but I guess he was shy. I danced with him but he had this distance to me on this dancefloor and after that he disappeared for a while and later on that evening he came back and asked me to dance with him but I did not dance with him the second time around. I thought he was sending me mixed signals somehow. And as he walked away after I told him, I will not dance with him, I made a comment that I do not know what is up with him. I think he heard me and probably was upset. I think they are too slow with their approach but I have to say that they are really nice men and some of them know how to treat a woman. With him I think I really missed a good apportunity to develop a relationship with him, I see him almost everyday on my way to work and I think about asking him out but I am just afraid that he will reject me or that he has no more interest in me. The way I reacted against him was because I was got a little confused of the mixed messages he sent. What do you think, should I pursue him or is this a last cause?
Lafemme.. I was gonna say go for it, but.. I really don't know what to do either. The guy I'm interested in gives me hot and cold signals. I thought we were pretty clear , and then today, he's as aloof as ever. I think I'm getting over my desire for him, because he is so back and forth. :-( I know they can't all be this way? Right? Are they just really old fashioned? I don't know.. I'm as in the dark as the rest of you girls. :-(
Wow... im so sorry for arriving one yr late.... but this has helped me out a lot... And the German I met did made the approach first, I was doubting all the nice things he told me (because of what he is) it was love at first sight. But i do agree with some stuff of sometimes not being as goofy romantic as most guys here are. I think i found the man of my life
or cuz they are all gay
what´s your opinion about this? I wanted a ONE NIGHT STANDING with a german boy and you know what he did?
I dont live in germany but i come here every 2 months,last week I met a german boy in a bar,and I started a conversation with him.he was really nice and kind with me,but the first night I wasn'nt ready to sleep with him ,so for the second time we met I asked him to come in and he said ok,then he came to my bed and started kissing me then he said ' forgive me! Im not ready for this now! please give me another chance! ' and when I asked him do you have a girlfriend now? he answered 'no I broke up last week after 10 years!' and so far no news from him! so can you beleive him!!!
I met this german guy at a meeting. I was not flirting with him but he thought I was flirting with him. He kept coming up to me an rubbing my arms and holding my hand. I found it strange because I thought german guys were not friendly. On the last day he hug me, said good by and pinched me on my side. What does it mean when a german guy pinches you. He was so cute now that I think about it.
Bloody hell, so THAT explains the German boy I've met. Kinda. He's studying/working here in America and I can't get my head around him! We've been nearly inseparable since he got here and in terms of personal space, well, we can get pretty close sometimes. I was attracted to him from the word "Go". But I'm pretty much at a complete loss as to how he feels about me! (I'm confident that he values my friendship, but beyond that is a big, fat question mark.)
Happy Thanksgiving, and I'm thankful you're keeping this going :-)
My experience with a German man was actually in Poland as he was a tourist there with friends. It did take almost an entire night to get him to do anything more than stare, at some points I thought he had a girlfriend or was possibly homosexual because of his apparent lack of interest but it became clear later that was not the case! His friends gave us space and definitely helped things along. I even had him laughing, although he did complain once that I was sometimes use too much vulgar language. He told me he liked me and when I told him I liked him too he said "really? " like he didn't believe me...very strange! I had also commented on his height (very tall, 6'3 - 6'4) and he thought by pointing out his height that I wasn't happy with it and he was very shocked when I told him I found his height "sexy".
We ended up having a one night stand of sorts but then in the morning he was looking for me at my hostel...kind of cute.
Hi guys,
Well its one nice perspective. I met a German once he is really good looking I'm telling you but it took me 3 days to get his attention! Of course as a woman we are used to wait for the guys to approach us, but I think Anna have a point =) IDK if they are just shy but they will give you clues that are not so clear that you would hesitate to approach them. The only chance that I get to talk to him was through my friend and after that we've been texting and date for quite sometime and I can say German compared to Aussie's they are more caring and a real gentleman.
Hello Anna, and everybody else. I am from Latinoamerica, but I ha've lived in the US for 7 years.I don't like to generalize but I have to admit that what you and many other girls here have sttated about Germans is True. I am married to one. I knew he was attracted to me, and I thought ( and still think) he was very handsome and intelligent. We met through a friend in common. He always looked at me as if he wanted to say something, but he never did, he just stared at me while drinking his beer, I barely drink, but one night I was feeling a little daring, and I had a few estra drinks, our friends had left the bar all one by one, and after a while of talking about stupid things, i just stood up from my chair and kissed him, we started going out since that day five years ago, he has told me since that he was very attracted to me, but he was waiting for the right moment, at the right time (we had beeing introduce two months before)he proposed a week after we started dating, we started living together ( my family back home was going crazy, as they are very traditional)We got married four years ago. He is an excellent lover, very passionate, but methodical, he has a very weird sense of humor, but he does have one. He overanalizes eveything, he is very polite. Most of his friends that have visited from Germany are more interested about playing chess that having a one night stand. Sad but true.
Well, I'm trying (in vain) to flirt with a German guy and he's just not taking the hint at all... I don't want to scare him off, but I don't want to miss this opportunity! Damn!
ok, so here's my story. I'm thinking of dating this exchange student from Berlin. He's attractive (6'5'' and devilishly handsome) but i'm kinda confused. The first time we met he was just staring at me while i was having a convo with a friend so i kept peekin up at him and shooting him a confused look so maybe he'd get the hint it's not polite. (he didnt get the hint) that night i ran into him at a school function and he was flirtacious calling me beautiful and all. I was pleased and we've become friends. He told me he really likes me but has admitted to being shy and nervous when it comes to me. (Maybe alot of German men are shy when they actually want a relationship, idk, Anna) but anyways, he says he wants to take me out on a date and i think it'll be nice. we kissed today for the first time actually, but i was the one who made the move. (his american friends told me how he was telling them he wanted to kiss me but didnt know if it would be 'moving too quickly') so i told him he shouldnt be so shy and just to kiss me already... he couldnt resist ;) but after reading this article, i'm curious...am i going to have to intiate all the physical elements of our relationship? As many of you know, living in America (as i do) the guys here are usually the intiaters. What do i do?
Hi I have recently met this german guy in my hometown and we showed obvious interest to each other after few greetings. However he had to leave the country and we are now talking through emails or online chat I must say, and it is very difficult because he says all the sweet things..
He was the first one who mailed me saying he missed me and can not even get me out of his mind! all the way from another country!
but the shyness and "mysterious-ness" still continues to show..lately, we discuseed over spending a trip somewhere so we can meet again. However we havent really talked about it for a week maybe he has forgotten about it.. He was so into it though!
Should I be the one to mention it to him? or should I WAIT?
please help me!! this cultural difference is driving me insane ;(
Hi All, I've been living in Germany for the past year and I was beginning to wonder what was wrong with all the guys in the area I live. They look stare at you and yet do not approach you. As far as I have always known it, men should make the first move. My initial thought of German guys in the Hessen region was that they were all in a long term relationship, married or gay. Then I met one German guy at an international stammtisch. When he joined the table where I was sitting he spoke to my friend and the others first and then sat next to me and we exchanged a few words, and he gave me his business card so I could contact him in relation to other event details. Little did I know that this was a flirtatious move. lol.
Once the communication had started he took the opportunity to meet me several times. On one occassion I had to ask him if he liked me because he wouldn't stop sheepishly smiling. Unbelievable.... The answer to that was ofcourse. I don't like making the first move especially when it comes to kissing, so this guy had to wait. Eventually, whether by accident or not, he sent me an email telling me how he keeps on imagining where he should kiss me first, and 'by that I don't mean the hand.' Can you believe it? I thought to myself 'Just go ahead and kiss me already. There's no need to tell me.' So I got put off and left it at that.
Now the other German guy I've met recently is so cute, yet slightly mature man. I was taking my early spring jog when I bumped into him after a very long time. He told me he thought about me every day, hugged me, kissed me. We met over a period of two weeks and spent a good few hours at a time together. Now, he doesn't call and I don't know whether he has lost interest in me or expecting me to make the move. I don't want to call him repetitively and seem as though I'm desparate or clingy. I'm too used to English culture, where guys do the approaching and the chasing, even when it's the worst approach one could imagine.
German guys are cute, and confusing. Now that's frustrating ;-)
Well, how ab't german girls.?
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lets just say u women lack initiative and drive , after all you are women and we dont blame you for that
for heavens sake IF A GUY DOESNT COME UP TO YOU , YOU SHOULD GO UPTO HIM , it doesnt take an einstein or a push up bra to figure that out
OH somebody understood me finally...
sorry for my bad english, but i cannot hold off expressing my opinion.
At first i thought im ugly or somehow unattractive, until i went abroad.
Italy, the Netherlands and Australia are a "flirt-heaven". By now im spoiled in terms of getting hit. that was a real boost for my selfconfidence and selfconciusness...
thank you anna for telling me that im not the only one in german flirt-hell
Look, if there was no truth to this stuff about German guys, there would not be so many comments a year later! : ))
Now, I think you should not generalise about people by nationality or race, but yes, I agree, most of what they say about German guys here and flirting is true.
Most times you have to make the first move, or nothing is going to happen. But you have to be quite sweet about it, or it might backfire : ))
Before you can have some conversation or time alone, they will be a bit strange and shy when you are close to them, and even if you can see they really like you. But try not to be confused and discouraged!
It's a little bit tough to explain, but you just have to be confident in the signs, and my advice is to be direct, but gentle, if you really like the guy, and make him comfortable.
Anyway, you should just be yourself, because always that is the best thing to be liked for, and you need not conform to elaborate dating ettiquette you find exasperating, if it does not suit you to do so. So as long as you respect the person and there is chemistry, it should all be just fine. And it's probably better to take things slow anyway. But take some of this advice and don't miss a chance to date a nice, hot, intelligent German guy.
Oh this article is spot on. I am currently struggling to understand a German bloke as well. We work int he same building (we are both expats in Asia) and often meet at the smoking area outside. Initially, we would just stare and smile at each other. He would even turn back to look at me and smile sheepishly. About a month later i thought it was ridiculous and decided to break the ice. I said hello to him one day and introduced myself. He asked me where i was from and we exchanged details like our names and which company we worked for. And we parted ways. Now that was a month ago and he still just smiles and stares! I though he might talk to me since i helped initiate contact. Its frustrating. I am unable to talk to him as well as he is always with a colleague of his. I think hes damn hot and would love a date with him. Grrrrrr.................. why cant he just come talk?! (Any ideas anyone as to what i can do?)
this article speaks the truth. Living in germany for nearly 3 years now and have not once been chatted up by a German guy. I've had plenty of cold, hard stares from across the room making me feel like I've just done some terrible thing. I then heard a couple of times that the guy was into me. From his body language and the cold stare you would think the exact opposite and it is hard to approach an unsmiling man who looks like a rabbit caught in the headlamps.
The only place where something has got close to happening is while out in clubs, where men will sidle up and dance beside me.
The question is, how do the Germans get together?. I see lots of couples around. How on earth did they manage to get beyond the cold, hard, stare? I don't know how people, date, marry, have relationships here. I love living here, but after 3 years of being basically ignored I'm thinking of leaving purely due to the fact that I'm sick of being single and German guys show absolutely no interest. I wish they would, but they don't and I feel like I'm missing something, some secret key to the German way of romance that German women know instinctively and that I don't. Meantime I'm giving up on them and will concentrate on going to places where non-Germans hang out. Would be nice to be flirted with, to be talked to and not ignored for once.
i know that´s you antionette...my advice is <<<<<. show a little more thigh!!!
friendly american advice
hello!i also dont like generalizations,but there is smth called 'character',and dis German folk has a distinct character:(
german guy: hey lets meet
me: okey, why not?
silence...the guy is lost!!
i think german guys dont like to be agreed! dont agree with them! lol
i have a half french half german bf and that is just the perfect combination. but i do agree on that part that german men do not know how to express their feelings properly. they bitch a lot but when just two of you staying together, they are 'almost' perfect. it's true they never intentionally approach women for a small flirt; that they rather prefer to spend a night with one of their 'taken' female friends than a random chic in a random bar. they have 'a thing', or shall i say, extreme weakness for bright blue eyed slim silhouette french girls. they look for kindness, intellingence and possibly requiring less bitchiness than themselves. they definitely look for beauty like all men do. but the bottom line is like every man they look for someone just like their 'mother'. so if you would like to catch him study his family history or something or let him speak of his mother often and if you happen to resemble his mother in a way, there you go...
ps: do not expect german men to spend on you till he decides he really loves you :P
But german women aproach men. Here, in Argentina some turists have done that. And they are very beautiful
Like most of the comments before mine,I finally realized why this guy I liked ( who is of german ethnicity but nationality wise is American)acted the way he does. I need help. He constantly stares at me when our group of friends are together but doesn't say anthing unless I say something. and until recently I wasn't going to try any moves on him when we both had a lil to much to drink ( he was more sober than I) and we ended up sleeping on the same couch together and he was spooning me and during the night I felt him hug me closer. We both woke up and I had to leave and he kept saying dont go. So a couple days go by and no text ( which is normal because he never texts anyone unless they text him) I texted him and asked if we would ever hang out and hook up.. he said he would like to.. but I hate being the one to constantly text or call.. I feel like I am the pusher. And I am italian/puerto rican decent so i am constantly used to guys from my ethnicity to be the ones to do the flirting(whether they were genuine or not) AGHAHGAHG help I'm not sure, should I move on?? or keep trying?
Oh my god I can’t believe I can find all the answer to my questions here.
I’m having the same straggle now with my German colleague.
For 3 years were been working in the same department, same building and same room.
I could say we are close friends as we are sharing personal matter but I never saw any sign that he likes me more than friends. Only last month when he received notice from the company that they will going to transfer him to other country, he started showing moves which is unclear to me like holding my hands, texting and calling me often and one of the most confusing to me is when he gave a full power of attorney of his bank account to me, I asked him “why?” his simple answer is that he just trust me.
Because he is not explaining further about his action I started giving space to our closeness but I started to miss him and recognizing that I have a hidden feeling towards him that I cant explain as well, that space I think drive his strength to talk to me about it, the day before his flight he surrender his feelings that he likes me to the extend that he wanted me to be the mother of his future children, but he is not ready for commitment because of the company situations, he is afraid that he might lose the job and he cant give good future to his family. We still have regular communication even he is in the other country.
At this time I’m more confuse, because he is thinking of a lot more tour for us, building a house for us, investing business for us but without being “US” though via network I honestly tell him my feeling now towards him. I can’t really understand till now what is really in his mind?? What is his purpose?? I’m from Asia; in my country when a guy expresses his feeling in words he wanted a commitment.
Please advice what should I have to do? I can’t wait till he is ready for commitment because I’m not getting young and I’m in the right age to settle down and I can consider him as the right one for me. Thanks in Advance.
@ calvin
read what i wrote in bold , you have to ask him out, duh
Remember one thing smiling doesnt mean he will hit on you or ask you out , its in their culture to greet and smile at strangers even saying 'have a good day' and asking 'how are you' doesnt mean he is into you as i said its in their culture which is very heart warming.. My dad noticed this when he went to germany a few weeks back
People can be really good friends without being romantically involved so dont assume things according to your convinience
okay, we all just have to realize that not all men are the same. and that goes for every country and nationality. for example, there are some really shy guys that wont make the first move in america, but there are some that will walk right up and try to talk their way into either your heart or your pants. and it's the same with germans. and russians. and frenchman. and everyone else. it all has to do with how they were raised and their past experiences. we can't say "oh all german men are shy." because it's simply not true.
just becoming close to an amazingly handsome and intelligent german engineer. we worked together briefly two years ago and out of the blue he recommended me to his boss to be his partner in a joint venture. he's so disciplined, hard lined and some times not even sure if he has a whole lot of respect for women...he doesn't hold doors for me or he's always walking 10 feet ahead of me. but then there's this super sweet side...especially after he's had his third beer. he just wants to sit close and talk but no advancements. he wants to know everything about me but doesn't touch me. he gets a little stiff when i give him hug and gets upset if i touch his hair. i am reading back at many of the previous comments on this thread and seeing a lot of asian women getting involved with these "shy" german men. hmmm - i am also american asian. is this a german men fetish? should i run from this as fast as i can? one of my close guy friend, also german, married a korean woman who is quiet and very subservient.
i had no idea that german men were so "convervative" and so (sweetly) naive in relationship matters. am i supposed to act on this first or will this send HIM running? his dark hair and bright blue eyes are stunning. his deep voice and smile makes my knees melt. (how am i supposed to work so closely with him and keep things strictly professional?)
so two questions:
1. how prevalent is on the job romance for a german professional?
2. do german men have a particular thing for asian women?
People I tell you all to SHUT DA **** UP. The article and your comments are just dumb stereotypes. There is no such things specific behaviour from German men, or men or women in generral. Human behaviour is based on character mostly and life experiences. I live in Germany since 28 years. Most German men are very flirty (with some beers or not) macho assholes and the minority are the shy and polite guys .. The writer of this article lives here for 1 year and should better think about what she blogs about next time.
Hi.
I am a German girl and Anna, I really think you have hit the nail on the head. I personally have never dated a German guy in my life, all my boyfriends have been either foreigners living in Germany or Germans with immigrant background. As an immigrant myself - I was born in the Soviet Union and came to Germany at a young age - I could never handle the mentality of German men.
When you grow up with them, they are really rude and superficial, everybody wants to have an Angelina Jolie and they think they deserve such a girl. When they get older they slowly realize that they will never get the girl of their dreams so they desperately look for "normal" girls but their arrogance and bitterness leads them to be poor halfmen who simply GOT NO GAME. They would LOVE to approach girls but they just don't know how. All German girls I know who go for German men make the first move, deal with their cold and often rude behaviour by simply giggling all the time (although a German man usually never makes a joke) and MAKING THEM COMPLIMENTS. Yes that's right. They tell them how great they are and after a WHILE German men start falling for those girls, and soon afterwards the girls strip off their sweet behavior and start bitching around like "I want that...bring me that..." and the guys just act as if they were their lap dogs. That's typical obedient German behaviour.
I just have to say in my opinion it is not normal if girls do all the chasing. From what I have seen in all other countries in the world guys do the chasing,, only here in Germany men have declared it to be "old-fashioned". Just look at the fifth comment below the article. A German guy telling the girl that "there are no white knights out there" when she just complained about German guys not being flirtatious. He just didn't get the point and I assume he never will, just like all German men I know.
Sorry for my English.
Yeah, good stuff has been written here. I guess, the different comments only show how different every single person is and that we can not generalize; and trust me - there are these and those people everywhere in the world. People who generalize e.g. in terms of "bitterness" (see comment above) should have a look at themselves (we all know about transferences? Sorry, I have to mention this, because it is just not fair to stereotype half of the german population).
For everyone interested in one the biggest love stories involving a german fellow, have a look at queen Victoria.
For example here (or e.g. on wikipedia):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehrx...
too bad German men don't flirt.
I like them very much, they seem to be so smart, well-educated, classy and responsible.
I'm a latina girl, I'm learning german (Ich lerne Deutsch gerade) haha. I wouldn't mind dating a german guy. I'm smart and pretty, but it's a shame they don't flirt because I'm just not used to take the lead in these situation, it's supposed to be the man who makes the "first move" lol :)
who said they don't flirt. I work with this German guy who has girlfriend. He talks about her all the time(no idea why). I have never thought anything different with him then a work friend. First night out with him and all work friends, he tried to kiss me in front of everyone!!
ALL German guys in my opinion..... Should consider themselves not-German. They should definately not identify themselves only with their roots, because i think they get a little caught up in the history maybe they feel a little guilty about what happened in their country when Hitler was a leader. A few of the German (males) that I know of that I have met act very mysterious and like they are very sensitive. Yet thay have this really intense and mean inner core, which identifies with some part of themselves. It's irritating. They idealise others but not themselves.
It's my experience with "these type of guys".
There are Germans from Hamburg and from Munich, from the "Rheinland" and from Rostock, what type of German are we speaking about here?
Also, we must not forget that a very big part of Germans that are born in Germany also have another cultural background than german;
Getting to know Germans for beginners: take a look at the German national team (football) and you will find that no guy is like the other.
OMG this explains a lot. I'm dating a german guy and reading this article is sorta like reading about my boyfriend. YES they can be flirty, YES they can be romantic, BUT everything sorta dies down after the first month. I don't get as many texts as I used to, I end up calling him now, and it's so difficult to get him to say I love you. The lovin' is good though ;)
I am an American woman living in my country and I met a German man through the company I work at. We had an email/telephone relationship for a year and a half-just friends. Finally he decided to come and visit me. We are now a couple as he so frequently refers. But what is being said here is exactly correct. They are slow to make moves, aloof, giving mixed signals. But you all should know that they are TRUE, honest, intelligent, rational, and will always be your best friend. Get off your traditional horse and GO FOR IT!! So what if you get rejected! Move on to the next one! It's well worth the wait and trouble! But if you are looking to be swept off your feet, look elsewhere. They are not macho.
1. You better be able to compete with the Caliber of REAL WOMEN in Germany (you can't be 5'5" and expect to get a guy to notice you, let alone flirt or talk to you).
Its a like a FAT or Short girl calling a guy incompetent or GAY just because he is not interested.
"oh, he must be gay" or "He doesn't know how to flirt"? ALL GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY WANT! and its not just sex.
Lets be honest. Most American girls/women are obnoxious, pretentious and short/fat (especially in Berlin).
Take my word for it. If a guy likes you he will at least show some interest (to an extent). But don't a expect a 11:30pm-Brit-style Bar "lets get la!d" frenzy. That is so Tacky.
Ladies have to learn to show interest, and respect to the guys they (genuinely) have interest in.
Another factor is there are many tourists that visit Berlin who are incompetent, "toy"-owning idiots, that go out just to get the attention, only to come home to their toys. So from a German's or Tourist's perspective "why bother"?
Know your limits and you're golden!
It's been 5 months now and everything's changed and also nothing's officially changed. My German partner has changed so much over the months. He wants to do what I do, eat what I eat, and packs up my things for me when we are rushing out of a meeting. He's not so stiff anymore and tells me when he's exhausted or feeling a little blue...letting his guard down. No, we are still strictly partners in a business and we are not doing anything physical or even flirting. I think I've given up the idea of flirting altogether and enjoy his company and sharing thoughts. (We also make awesome business partners!) Maybe my first grown up true friendship/relationship with a man. I still think that he's beautiful because he is. He looks after me and enjoys making me laugh. He lets me drive when we are off to a meeting now - he used to be such a control freak about being in charge and doing all the driving himself. He lost me for a second at Whole Foods market - he got so worried... : ) You would have thought that he lost his cat. I can't believe how much he's changed and so glad that I've been patient enough to give this "relationship" a chance to become a friendship first. The only thing that makes me pause is when he tells me "couldn't sleep last night (at the hotel)" Makes my heart jump. But this friendship building has been so delicious - I would not sabotage this for the world or for a casual fling. We've come as far him taking my hand to his heart and him saying "..we'll be best friends..." Yeah - left me speechless and blushing. Just thinking about it makes my heart jump out of my head.
It's been 5 months now and everything's changed and also nothing's officially changed. My German partner has changed so much over the months. He wants to do what I do, eat what I eat, and packs up my things for me when we are rushing out of a meeting. He's not so stiff anymore and tells me when he's exhausted or feeling a little blue...letting his guard down. No, we are still strictly partners in a business and we are not doing anything physical or even flirting. I think I've given up the idea of flirting altogether and enjoy his company and sharing thoughts. (We also make awesome business partners!) Maybe my first grown up true friendship/relationship with a man. I still think that he's beautiful because he is. He looks after me and enjoys making me laugh. He lets me drive when we are off to a meeting now - he used to be such a control freak about being in charge and doing all the driving himself. He lost me for a second at Whole Foods market - he got so worried... : ) You would have thought that he lost his cat. I can't believe how much he's changed and so glad that I've been patient enough to give this "relationship" a chance to become a friendship first. The only thing that makes me pause is when he tells me "couldn't sleep last night (at the hotel)" Makes my heart jump. But this friendship building has been so delicious - I would not sabotage this for the world or for a casual fling. We've come as far him taking my hand to his heart and him saying "..we'll be best friends..." Yeah - left me speechless and blushing. Just thinking about it makes my heart jump out of my head.
okay seriously... why? You are so full of it. I'm sorry, all men have the ability to flirt (shy or not), whether or not they do it well.... yeah. The men of the German culture are taught self control and not to act like the douchebags of America who want to tap and run. You can't go to another country and expect the men to be all over you the way they are in America. if you haven't noticed, America is kinda full of scum. Not saying all American men are scum. Also, "white people can't rap" and "Europeans can dance" are awful stereotypes, I think if you're gonna try to write an article, don't make yourself sound ignorant by upholding stereotypes. You might as well have said "like how blacks can't resist grape flavored drinks" your stereotypes are rude and insulting.
Just because another culture has more reserved men than yours doesn't make it okay to try to analyze the reason for them being reserved rather than running around spouting "Hey baby! Let's fuck like wild animals! And if you just so happen to get knocked up, good luck with that!" and the morning after being like "Oh by the way, welcome to the world of AIDs"
Personally, I'd much rather have a reserved man who doesn't flirt with anything with a whole between it's legs.
I'm sorry if this came off as terribly rude, but I found your "informative article" terribly rude and stereotypical.
Well said, iiMasada!
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I am looking for a boyfriend from Germany, the man should be over 30 but under 40, honesty,At the beginning we start with a friendship and if there is more chemistry between us we can think about the next step.
I am only interested in a serious relationship. Do not bother me if you are looking for a ons, FWB or a sex partner.
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NICEGIRL
I am a Chinese Girl, 32,152cm,48KG,long black hair,slim and cute ,understanding,honesty. i like cooking,reading ,listen to the music
I am looking for a boyfriend from Germany, the man should be over 30 but under 40, honesty,At the beginning we start with a friendship and if there is more chemistry between us we can think about the next step.
I am only interested in a serious relationship. Do not bother me if you are looking for a ons, FWB or a sex partner.
If you are interested please send me an email with a current picture to hsts1789@yahoo.com.cn
vielen dank
Best regards
Lily2010168
Ihr dummen deutschen Tussis, die, die sich hier über deutsche Männer auslassen, seid auch keinen Deut besser und in vielen Fällen gefühlskalt!!
Go to hell, you silly defaming German girls... you're not one jot better than we German boys - but often arrogant and frigid!
German men do flirt, oh my god to they flirt! I am woman and I have been to Germany twice. The Germans would flirt with me all the time, and they wanted to get to know me. And they were curious where I came from and I spoke to them in German, and when I made a mistake they helped me. They were very kind, friendly, they were very out spoken (which I love) and they were very down to earth, and also willing to have good beer while they talked to you. Some of the men that I didn't know, if they saw me would pay for my meal, when they didn't know me. And the German women really liked me as well. I also met a few Austrians there, and they were as friendly and flirtations as any of the German men. To say German men do not flirt, is silly! They flirt, if you are nice to them. If you are mean, they just get up and leave. So if you are a nice person, people treat you nicely and are also willing to help you. Ich liebe Deutschland! :) Die Deutsche Männer sind sehr heiß! :)
Viele Grüße Aus Amerika! :)
I'd have to disagree with your article - the German way sounds a damn sight better than the UK way. I was in a pub with my better-looking friend when I got chatted up by this guy who seemed really nice. Later on (after a few more beers) he told me that he actually fancied my friend but thought I would be easier (ie, more desperate) to get in the sack. Contrast this with my trip to Germany where I met plenty of men who were lovely and courteous and genuinely friendly rather than fishing for a quick and anonymous fuck.
The German way may be a lot more work but at least you know that if they are chatting you up it's because they actually like you. Call me old-fashioned but unless you're looking to sleep around, a decent relationship should be a bit more of a slow burn shouldn't it?
i met a german guy whilst on a volunteer break in tokyo, he was so rude to me at first like i had done something wrong or offended him, he was with 1 other guy french who kept apologising for his manners when he was out of ear shot... though i dont smoke he would encourage me to because im gonna die anyway, also say im inexperianced and he was going to teach me??... anyway fast forward 2 months and we run into each other again he apologises and say's it's apart of his culture??..(to be rude) i get to know him and vice versa and figure he is caring and sweet when he is not always defensive and arrogant.. but the language barrier and miscommunication is a bit much and in the end i end up ruder than he ever was to me...one thing i can say is he was always straight forward and honest!
i met a german guy whilst on a volunteer break in tokyo, he was so rude to me at first like i had done something wrong or offended him, he was with 1 other guy french who kept apologising for his manners when he was out of ear shot... though i dont smoke he would encourage me to because im gonna die anyway, also say im inexperianced and he was going to teach me??... anyway fast forward 2 months and we run into each other again he apologises and say's it's apart of his culture??..(to be rude) i get to know him and vice versa and figure he is caring and sweet when he is not always defensive and arrogant.. but the language barrier and miscommunication is a bit much and in the end i end up ruder than he ever was to me...one thing i can say is he was always straight forward and honest!
Hi.. Im an Indonesian woman (22), maybe my english is bad, I hope you will forgive me for that.
I have a german guy, we relate to how online ..
he always told me that I should trust him..
but Im a jealous person, I always suspected him. one that I want to hear from him, is "I Love U".. he just said "I really like u".. he cant make me happy
and only makes me like a fool.. when I fell in love with him.
What they can not lie?? just to say "i Love U"..
I think if they men are hard to fall in love..
Women are stupid.If you think a German guy is not your type why not date your British or American type? Why do you want all guys to be the same?
GERMAN guys are more distant, but unlike others they are honest. Pick one, you usually won't get both.
AMERICAN guys will tell you anything,, and you end up not knowing what to believe anymore.
Also, german girls really don't like to be approached. They don't rely on the fake ego boost which comes with a this kind of approach (to be straight, the guy doesn't like you, but is just horny)So the guys are just used to girls who want some solid relationship. They are trying to be considerate, show some manners, and not bother consequently. I saw a lot of German girls getting anoyed by all the guys being overly forward, and saying anything to get laid. This is considered being a narcissist, and a desperate poser. It's just a different culture, with good and bad sides.
When I(a german) was in the US, I appreciated how relaxed and talkative everybody was. At the same time though, it kinda repelled me to know that half of the friendly attitude and what the people say is just a diplomatic facade, flowery phrases, or straight lies. People wouldn't even believe me some stuff, because they are used to all the bullsh**ing. Sorry, but I prefer the authentic, honest german to an APPARENTLY friendly and interested american. Serieously, it's such a great feeling to know that you can trust and belive almost anyone on the street. Unfortunately this comes with a cold, and humorless attitude.
I wished people could be friendly and relaxed, but also honest, and authentic...
But Anna, what do YOU want? If you wanna be treated like an equal, why don't you walk up to him? If you want a guy with an inflated ego who tells you anything to get what he wants, don't complain if he's not a reliable and genuine guy.
CONCLUSION: If you wanna have some short-term fun, the anglo-saxon countries will give you those guys. If you want a serious relationship, there are few as trustable and reliable as Germans. Of course these are just subjectively perceived tendencies, and can't be just apllied to individuals.
Direct questions rarely offend Germans (assuming the question isn't too personal), and they're typically more than willing to give straight-forward answers.
Germans and Americans have a few different standards regarding what constitutes "politeness". Americans tend to define politeness in terms of "friendliness": smiling, telling "white lies" to avoid hurting people's feelings, pretending to like people even if we don't, saying "Hi, how are you?" whether we really care how they are or not, etc. Germans, however, tend to consider "respect" to be the proper way to show "politeness", and "respect" assumes that the other person wants an honest answer, not some pretty little "white lie". So, if you're really wanting your ego stroked, DON'T ask him, "So, how d'you like my new dress?" You might not like the answer that he gives. Likewise, DON'T EVER say anything to him "just to be nice" if you don't really mean it; he is too likely to take you quite literally at your word and then be terribly hurt later when he finds out that you didn't really mean it.
Don't try to make too much "chit chat" or "small talk" with him. Most Germans know little or nothing of the art of talking about banal, superficial topics as a way of "breaking the ice" with new acquaintances; that custom belongs to American-style "friendliness" and is not part of German "respect". Germans also often react negatively to the shallow, superficial quality of casual friendships/acquaintanceships in the U.S., and so he might react negatively towards you if you engage in much "light" conversation. If you're looking for good topics for conversation, try: politics, current events, philosophy, or any subject he's studying in school.
Don't be afraid to voice opinions that might be different from his; if your opinion is at least logical, well-reasoned, and well-informed, he will more likely respect you for having your own mind, rather than be offended by you for having a different opinion.
And if you DON'T know much about international politics, news, current events, foreign cultures, etc., then LEARN! FAST! Americans have an international reputation for being extremely ignorant about the rest of the world -- because most Americans ARE ignorant! Germans, however, usually are NOT!!!
I am from Kenya, but i can speak german, not perfectly, but i was able to manage in Berlin by only speaking in german. Well i got offended at stares while in the train, ofcourse i know i was often the only black person, however some stares seemed like hellos without any smiles. A german man managed to confuse my head, no this one was friendly and very nice. He tried to crack a joke but i only smiled. He always initated conversations and that was so impressive considering the many snobs i had come across in the streets. He never once called or texted, he seemed to be busy and when i lastly bade him farewell he gave me countless hugs and pecks, and i found that very emotional. My conclusion was he had liked me, but he claimed later i misinterpreted the farewell. Talk about being complicated, i wish i had read this before i flew to Berlin. Now that i have read it, many things start to make sense, however the only sad thing is some of these men are wonderful beings inside, and they miss out on GOLDEN chances, just because they were being german.
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